That post was for those were looking for the alleged Rs 36,000 crores....

Bank deposits, debt were Reliance Ind`s choice to park money Arvind Jayaram RIL trebled its investments in certificates of deposit with scheduled banks. This was a departure from the previous year, when the company parked most of its money in mutual funds. BL Research Bureau: Just like ordinary investors, Reliance Industries (RIL), the most cash-rich company in the private sector, played it safe with its investments in 2011-12. Its latest annual report shows that it sharply increased its time deposits with banks and invested more in debentures from institutions such as HDFC this year. It also moved money out of fixed maturity plans (close end mutual funds) to park it in short-term debt funds that allow any-time withdrawals. Over the year, RIL trebled its investments in certificates of deposit with scheduled banks. This was a departure from the previous year, when the company parked most of its money in mutual funds. The company invested Rs 15,720 crore in certificates of deposit in 2011-12, compared with Rs 4,632 crore the previous year. Interest rates on certificates of deposit rose steadily from 7.3 per cent to 11.5 per cent last year, as a scramble for deposits prompted banks to raise rates for large corporates. Another Rs 6,247 crore was invested by the company in debentures and bonds. This was up 35 per cent over 2010-11. RIL`s two largest bond buys were of Housing Development Finance Corporation (Rs 1,822 crore) and IDFC (Rs 1,060 crore). RIL`s mutual fund investments fell 0.5 per cent to Rs 5,057 crore during the fiscal. But within mutual funds, RIL trimmed exposure to fixed maturity plans and switched to short-term debt and dynamic bond funds. These are actively managed to capitalise on rising rates on corporate paper. It invested Rs 1,021 crore in bond funds from Birla Sunlife, DWS, ICICI and LIC mutual funds. It made minimal bets on government securities, at Rs 5 crore. As of March 2012, the company`s cash balances and short-term investments totalled Rs 66,627 crore. This was a 60 per cent jump from the same date last year. According to the company`s annual report, its current investments rose by 87 per cent to Rs 27,029 crore. Apart from this, it also chose to hold to plenty of liquid cash. After investments, the company`s cash and bank balance registered healthy growth to Rs 39,598 crore. arvind.jayaram@thehindu.co.in http://t.in.com/5n6K...

Bhusbhac, Reliance is only making good use of the opportunities presently in the global markets. In the process what it is doing is only in the national interest of capital building, GDP growth, improving our competitiveness, conserving forex etc. etc - and all this without putting any strain over the forex resources or straining our capital markets. The opportunities in global business are being intelligently leveraged. The global business is passing through lean phase. Therefore, the tech and capital imports from Russia, Europe and US are being actively encouraged by these economies, because it supports employment there. Therefore, with Reliance`s eminent creditworthiness, the financiers in these economies are too keen to give 5-10 years funding for procuring these technologies from their countries. Therefore, we have seen the butyl rubber being funded through equity participation, European procurements being funded by $ 1.5 billionlines of credit from Italian consortia and another $ 2 bn line of credit from the German consortia. and now this latest about the US sourced imports of tech from Philips 66. Likewise, Reliance has funded its overseas investment into shale gas assets in US with Bond issues of $ 1.5. So far, this brings total to over $ 6 bn. There may be more in the pipeline. And the oxymorons - the wise men of the markets - will keep making nagative noises protecting the interests of their favored CASINO. And the casino operators will continue to employ the bouncers to ward of anyone taking away their valuable chips from their casino. Hence the broken record stuck up at the same track. The company is also doing its buyback program. The CASINO owners would like their CASINO`s punting chips to be protected and would rather have RIL buying from the public`s holdings. Therefore they need to employ the rough talking bouncers, who can only speak abusive and derogatory language. ...

Firstly your posts were with regards pricing and so was my reply, if at all the narrow view was posted by me it was reflection of the narrow post from which i did not divert. I am nto for Radical treatment on either side, but i am all against blackmail when it comes to Natural Resources especially ones as important as Natural Gas... I would suggest you to re-read posts made by you and then read mine again...

And what many knowledgeable Boarders seem to be missing out is that country has to pay more on Imports not because local price is low but because local production is low and if you want to suggest that both are co-related or directly proportional then it only adds substance to the BLACKMAIL Theory as proposed by some others.. Why can not production be hiked at prevalent prices, there is no contractual obligation which says until price is hiked production can not be hiked.. IT is only the ill-intent of the Corporate which does not wish to address the issues of production levels until the Government bows down to its demands. And even if the Government does it will be a victory of blackmail tactics and not Righteousness or on Moral Grounds. IT will only be looked upon by people as another example of mi-use of Natural Resources and soon CAG will come out with another report on Loss incurred by the GoI as a result of Production Loss right now and subsequent price hike. So why is this thought process being adopted or promoted on this board that price hike is essential before production can be moved up ? It is only looking at one side of the coin and provides a semi-biased / biased view favoring 1 Party in the Contract....

IF the motive is to let GoI earn and then give subsidy, it will be another case of Financial Engineering. IT is similar to the Koutons theory of Pricing products 3x Price and then giving 66% Discount or Buy 1 Get 2 Free. I dont know how that is a gr8 achievement. Price Increase can happen only if the eventual price hike is moved to end customers . I dont know how hard that is to understand....

Of course the loss of US$ 8 bn includes the price for air (gas not produced at present). Also it suggests that GoI could make as much and subsidise where is wants to directly in form of caqsh from its share of profits. Also the figure demonstrates that by importing costly LNG then that is the figure the nation is burdened with by way of trade deficit. Hence interpret such statements the way you like it. I still maintain that the request of price revision by RIL hints at a middle course for some quantity and a marketing freedom for quantity above that as per the correspondence exchange in toto since the matter has come in dispute....

sorry that waqs in reply to the post of Mr Kiss!...

Bhusbhac, What fun is left to pick the stocks right now. I think we have lot more pain left and one can get good opportunities to pick them 15 to 20 % lower from current valuation. It is obvious current Gov is not capable of doing anything constructive to heal the economy. However I do agree with you it is similar to late 80s and ITs are good bets after the declines are showing sign of stabilizing. Jay...

The Markets ability to predict lows is over hyped. There is never a bottom in place in a bear market until there is extreme pessimism and expectations get crossed on the downside. It is not a time to go bottom fishing for precisely the reasons mentioned, If Europe does go into a prolonged Recession RIL as well as many other corporates will have a hard time with their margins. Sadly although the Currency which has weakened should help our Exports, the weakness in Currency is coming in the backdrop of a slowing Global Economy which is nullifying the positive effects for Exporters while putting additional burden on Imports....

That post was for those were looking for the alleged Rs 36,000 crores....

Dragonbhat

I think you are looking at the situation with a narrow lens. Apart from price there are issues relating to delay in capex approval and how it will be viewed in future. How is it linked with production is not laid down at all so if tomorrow something adverse happens in the reservoir belonging to GoI then how can RIL idemnify?

ONGC is starting its project in KG Bason alongwith Cairn ona completley different profit sharing formula with the private enterprise.

Actually because of the stance of GoI and the delays even the roadmap beyond 2014 is not clear.

ONGC will start the project after asseing two more drills but has indicated that the price cannot be less than US$ 5.25 per mmBtu.

Actually the current rate of the US$ should make the price of US$ 4.24 per mmBtu attractive enough however I think it is not just the pricing issue involved here. Also RIL needs some marketing freedom maybe beyond some quantity at least from 2014 onwards.

Else RIL I suppose has no option but to bide its time until 2014....

Bank deposits, debt were Reliance Ind`s choice to park money
Arvind Jayaram
RIL trebled its investments in certificates of deposit with scheduled banks. This was a departure from the previous year, when the company parked most of its money in mutual funds.
BL Research Bureau:
Just like ordinary investors, Reliance Industries (RIL), the most cash-rich company in the private sector, played it safe with its investments in 2011-12.
Its latest annual report shows that it sharply increased its time deposits with banks and invested more in debentures from institutions such as HDFC this year. It also moved money out of fixed maturity plans (close end mutual funds) to park it in short-term debt funds that allow any-time withdrawals.
Over the year, RIL trebled its investments in certificates of deposit with scheduled banks. This was a departure from the previous year, when the company parked most of its money in mutual funds. The company invested Rs 15,720 crore in certificates of deposit in 2011-12, compared with Rs 4,632 crore the previous year. Interest rates on certificates of deposit rose steadily from 7.3 per cent to 11.5 per cent last year, as a scramble for deposits prompted banks to raise rates for large corporates.
Another Rs 6,247 crore was invested by the company in debentures and bonds. This was up 35 per cent over 2010-11. RIL`s two largest bond buys were of Housing Development Finance Corporation (Rs 1,822 crore) and IDFC (Rs 1,060 crore).
RIL`s mutual fund investments fell 0.5 per cent to Rs 5,057 crore during the fiscal. But within mutual funds, RIL trimmed exposure to fixed maturity plans and switched to short-term debt and dynamic bond funds. These are actively managed to capitalise on rising rates on corporate paper. It invested Rs 1,021 crore in bond funds from Birla Sunlife, DWS, ICICI and LIC mutual funds.
It made minimal bets on government securities, at Rs 5 crore.
As of March 2012, the company`s cash balances and short-term investments totalled Rs 66,627 crore. This was a 60 per cent jump from the same date last year. According to the company`s annual report, its current investments rose by 87 per cent to Rs 27,029 crore. Apart from this, it also chose to hold to plenty of liquid cash. After investments, the company`s cash and bank balance registered healthy growth to Rs 39,598 crore.
arvind.jayaram@thehindu.co.in

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There are too many scratched gramaphone records on this MMB and you are asking such technical matters of them?

What do you think? At least start the discussion with your comments whether this is a diversification or horizontal integration or a vertical integration. Else tmany on this MMB will think that RIL is on to something new despite its promise that it will increase it core business multifold. Without your comments this article is meaningless....

TondonA

Cannot understand why the scratched gramaphone record is going round and round circles merely since RIL does not seem to be heading for Rs 500.

Sure if RIL borrows from a country where it gets its plant & machinery equipment then it does help our nation not upset the exchange rate by purchasing dollars through the exchange. Whether deliberate and / or otherwise even when it helps our nation there ought to be some change in attitude and if not at least the discussion should progress to a different plane and discuss current topics.

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Scratched gramaphone record!...

jai sharemaster

Your reply is too narrow since it concentrates ONLY on the price issue.

Since more than two years Oil Ministry did not approve the capex as required under tne PSC, made discoveries no discoveries on technical grounds, also on grounds that they were not commerically viable. While the delays in approval of the capex incurred and the method of audit GoI insisted on four more wells being drilled. It is not for me or anybody to say about the correctness or not on part of GoI however a private contractor must have certainty going forward regarding capex approvals and audit. Even CAG has advised that the profit share should be in a direct form such as a royalty that would obviate the need of audit and disputes arising.

The main problem to my mind are the various DISPUTES and not necessarily the price which has affected the production of KG D6 Basin. What happened and / or transpired in the past regarding corruption and gold plating allegations has no relevance to the cost of production in actual practice which needs to be determined and WHY RIL cannot be given a price of US$ 5.25 per mmscmd as given to ONGC and ESSAR as an interim measure and / or telling the contractor that if there is production above 60 mmscmd then the higher price would be applicable.

I am suggesting MUTUALITY and not RADICAL treatment as suggested by many of you!...

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avin57

The scratched gramaphone is ranting. Anyway he gave a target of 850 abd is still boasing and dancing round and round in circles.

Anyway I am NOT a buyer in this market including RIL however on the way up whenever the time is ripe I will once again pick a portfolio of stocks including banks which I sold off anf they have come to my price to book valuations.

Also if RIL collapses even further it is nothing great in the global collapse being witnessed. Even if you look at the currency markets US Dollars is 250 to 750 pips stronger than ALL global currencies for NO fundamental reason.

Once again Indian Rupees will be well under pressure on Monday and Indian investors are out of liquidity to support the market at ANY price.

I might take a shorterm call around the time of the RIL AGM.

It is not RIL but the policies of this GoI I am betting against not that it would have made much difference with the kind of global uncertainty at this point of time where a paper currency like the US$ is gaining strenght and crating huge volatility.

If QE3 in USA is announced it may be a time to take a call in the market and this time I may try out with banking stocks for a longer term outlook and faster recovery....

babboo-q

It is YOU who raised the issue that CAIRN pays royalty whereas RIL doesn`t. In fact ONGC has been footing the ENTIRE royalty whereas CAIRN was royalt free. When GoI overturned this CAIRN initiated arbitration proceedings which was compromised as the CAIRN VEDANTA deal was blocked.

So YOU are quite simply the moron hurtling false allegations....

TondonA

I wonder why so many issues being raised here? Even above any court of law is the mutual agreement to the signatory of the parties under the PSC and between the various agreements between the end users.

The way the currency markets are movong today we could be staring at Rs 55 to a US$ even at a lower crude price. Is it better to pay more money overseas or is it better to pay in Indian Rupees for domestically produced energy.

ONGC and ESSAR get a price of US$ 5.25 per mmscmd and have stated in the past that a production similar to KG D6 Basin cannot be less than US$ 6 to US$ 7. DGCH and ONGC are quite conversant about the COST so trying to enforce an agreement outside the PSC has a thin line to legal and illegality. The contractor may well have deliberately not taken steps to ramp up gas production due to the capex issues, discoveries made no discoveries and revised FDPs being struck down and sticking to the guns of frilling four wells without capex approval which was under dispute.

Even regarding CAG reports it only proves that a private enterprise which puts its own monies on stake would work differently to a PSU.

Now I think the time for delaying tactics by GoI is over and even if it has to buckle in a little it should do everything to restore the growth of this nation, give up dependence on foreign oil and gas as much as possible and let there be free trade.

At the end of the day competition (with the overseas players) should be left for the market to determine.

Time to decide whether wealth should flow out of this nation or remain here even if it is with underperfoming RIL for sometime. Afterall ONGC is with CONOCOPHILIPS so it is upto GoI to measure up with RIL.

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hkre

Banks also do the same. RIL invests in first glass GoI bonds, FDs and Mutual Funds. Through mutual funds I suppose RIL can control the rest of the market when the time comes.

RIL cannot LEND money to anyone since it does not have license for banking as yet although it has interest in a subsidiary which does lend. Hence the other income component might be considered core if the income becomes regular in nature for two years....